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Like I can see pros or other people with great micro using these units like crazy. First they are cheap, so they are easy massible, so now you got lots of them right, next they have light armor, so the only air unit that can have a pretty good hurt it good would be the mutalisk, third its fast as hell so if it runs into those little pesky ground units they can run fast.

You get 12-15 or more of these and you can micro them around harrasing everything, just by overmassing other air units, and by using 3 or 4 of them to use its ability on ground units and take them out using the rest, this will work very well because the ability has a low energy cost. So if you have lots of these you should never run out of energy for the ability. the pheonix will destroy the roach, high temps, marauders, tanks, immortals, and other ground units if thier are less of them, it wouldn't work as well against marines, stalkers or hydras but still, this unit is gunna be HUGE just watch.

Thats all i wanted to say :D, tell me your opinion yo!


*re-burrows*

LOL! and yes their pretty cool! but if the enemy has vikings or corrupters your f*cked (O___________________O)

Yeah i love the phoenix, I have a feeling they might make graviton beam have a higher energy cost, but as of now the only things that beat them are swarms of infantry or ultralisks that they cant hit (or pick up with beam they are massive)

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LOL! and yes their pretty cool! but if the enemy has vikings or corrupters your f*cked (O___________________O)

Actually, I ran some numbers and the phoenixes seem to win against vikings one on one. And phoenixes are easier to mass.

Corruptors, however, are very different. For the somewhat equal cost, these things deal heavy punishment on phoenixes, an the effects become even worse with the corruption. Only stalkers can deal with these things. Corruptors, as of now, are the only 100% air oriented unit in the game (phoenixes have graviton beam;vikings their transformation), and are the most efficient.

More like 99%, the Corrupted Mass deals damage to ground for the Corruptor indirectly :P


-Psi

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Yeah i love the phoenix, I have a feeling they might make graviton beam have a higher energy cost, but as of now the only things that beat them are swarms of infantry or ultralisks that they cant hit (or pick up with beam they are massive)

I really hope that they don't increase the energy cost. Player will not use it otherwise. I assume Blizzard would like abilities like the Graviton Beam to be used and not ignored because of the wait time to charge up enough energy to use it.

Also I would love to see some sort of upgrade that would allow the Phoenix to lift 'massive'. Or just plain small buildings. Although I can imagine why it wouldn't. I ship that small shouldn't be able to life something 10 times its size.

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More like 99%, the Corrupted Mass deals damage to ground for the Corruptor indirectly :P


-Psi

Lol, forgot about that. And the brood lord transformation also has some weight, even though it is a long one way transformation.

@Corrupt_Void

Gravity doesn't work that way. The equal amount of gravity can lift different weights without much problems.

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Yeah i love the phoenix, I have a feeling they might make graviton beam have a higher energy cost, but as of now the only things that beat them are swarms of infantry or ultralisks that they cant hit (or pick up with beam they are massive)

I really hope that they don't increase the energy cost. Player will not use it otherwise. I assume Blizzard would like abilities like the Graviton Beam to be used and not ignored because of the wait time to charge up enough energy to use it.

They are going to keep it low energy cost so people will test it in the beta. Cheaper/More useful=More testing=more balance!! Math solves everything

Actually, I ran some numbers and the phoenixes seem to win against vikings one on one. And phoenixes are easier to mass.

I wouldnt say phoenixes are easier to mass. Vikings take 42 seconds to make, phoenix take 45. And Vikings can be double pumped with reactors.

The phoenix is a pretty good unit.
Their cheap and pretty dangerous against air units. But they will need reinforcements or large numbers of them in order for them to really shine.
PS. Do they still have the ability to kill everything in a large area.

Phoenix is okay. Its attack range is a little bit short though, only 4 at the moment. Maybe 5-6 is better isn't it?

Wow. I can't believe this. I mean really. Never have I actually seen a topic made for a positive reaction to Starcraft 2. Seriously, all it is these days is just bitching or ranting topics. Kudos to this.

Oh, and I happened to use the Phoenix several times during the demo, see, and I was much more pleased with it at BlizzCon 09 than from BlizzCon 08. Personally, I think the Phoenix could use a little more touching up, but regardless, it's fine just the way it is. ^^ oi

marines are amazing.

they're cheap and massable

they're strong in numbers

they're disposable

they can hit both ground and air omg

the stim pack is amazing

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Gravity doesn't work that way. The equal amount of gravity can lift different weights without much problems.

Not sure what you mean, do you mean that theoretically Phoenix should be able to lift massive/ buildings or that in the game it can. Because I heard that it cannot lift massive/ building anymore.

PLease clarify.

@Stebbo

SInce you are the only person here that has played the game in the last 2 years, what do you think these 'touchups' should be. What was it lacking that has made you comment in this way? Im curious..

Please xmaine, at least have the courtesy to humor us with a Protoss unit example to go with that sarcasm.


-Psi

Over all I am happy with the Phoenix. I might have more to say after seeing it in Beta, but for now it seem fine. I like the idea of a fast AtA unit and the Anti-grav gives it the ability to kill ground(the channeling aspect reminds me of Aerial shackles from WC3).

@ Stebo I remeber what you said for the Phoenix after Blizzcon 08

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Phoenix - D

With the removal of the Overload ability, the Phoenix has now become a useless air-superiority fighter for the Protoss. The new ability that the Phoenix wields is Anti-Gravity, which allows the Phoenix to immobilize and cast a ground unit as an air unit, yet at the same time the Phoenix becomes immobilized itself. That makes no sense if you think about it because the Phoenix only targets air units but is immobilized during the Anti-Gravity spell. The Phoenix has a decent attack damage and flies extremely fast through the skies.

Anything in particular seem to change for the unit(besides stats). Anyway it is good to hear that the Phoenix is doing better lets hope Beta can help put those final touches on.

P.S. the quote I took from the Protoss unit Review Stebo did after BlizzCon '08.