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I think I heard them say david kim won. So he likely played the zerg lol. Brood lords seem insane, almost like an AtG carrier for the zerg since it seems like those broodlings are fairly high priority target by natural AI just like interceptors were. Do they always spawn by the brood lords attack? If they lasted long enough, you could easily preproduce broodlings by attacking rocks or critters and have them take the frontline as shields to give lings or lurkers a couple second's head start, kinda like WC3 raise undead stick on critters. Terran probably counters with raven + thor if thor is still anti air based since broodlings likely aren't as effective against armored, brood lords are probably still countered by psi storm (what isn't countered by psi storm except spine crawler/cannon/bunker rushes i mean really?)

Everyone does realize that brood lords can outrun a HSM?

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Ok,I had asked a week ago on the "ask a question get an answer" thread if anyone had any links to a video of a match where the zerg won.

No one answered.

Thanks for the vids I was wondering does that make the thread useful still? I think people should check it more often to see if they could answer someone's question cause I still have questions/ ask many questions.

This seems more like the Brood Lord winning the match then it does the Zerg, lol. What I mean by that is the victories were due in large part to the Brood Lords and their positioning, or the lack of AtA by their enemy. Much more so than any other factor.

In the TvZ video all the Terran player woulda had to do is make like 6 Vikings and he might have beat the Zerg player. Instead the Brood Lords flew over that middle structure and creamed the Marines since they didn't have the range or position to fire back. The Hydras were then brought in to help clean up the remains.

In the ZvP video the Zerg player had a much better composed army than the Protoss player. The Protoss player massed WAY to many Phoenix at the start considering most the Zerg force was ground. In fact some people think the Protoss player was just messing around. Why else build so many AtA units when your opponents almost all ground? This cost him dearly as by the end he was just over run by all the Zerg and his much better composed army.

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This seems more like the Brood Lord winning the match then it does the Zerg, lol. What I mean by that is the victories were due in large part to the Brood Lords and their positioning, or the lack of AtA by their enemy. Much more so than any other factor.

I disagree. The first 6 mins are a lot like battle report #2: The Zerg contained the terran. The difference is that while the terran was being harrassed and on the defense, the zerg expanded. At the end of his harrassment around 8 minutes the zerg had 4 or 5 bases to the terrans 2. I think it was his macro strat / failure of the terran to put pressure on the zerg that won, not because of the Brood lord.

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This seems more like the Brood Lord winning the match then it does the Zerg, lol. What I mean by that is the victories were due in large part to the Brood Lords and their positioning, or the lack of AtA by their enemy. Much more so than any other factor.

I disagree. The first 6 mins are a lot like battle report #2: The Zerg contained the terran. The difference is that while the terran was being harrassed and on the defense, the zerg expanded. At the end of his harrassment around 8 minutes the zerg had 4 or 5 bases to the terrans 2. I think it was his macro strat / failure of the terran to put pressure on the zerg that won, not because of the Brood lord.

Actually, zerg had 6~7 bases. However, terran would have won if the brood lords didn't exist, or at least that battle. Brood lords seem to be extremly high priority targets.

Yea the protoss looked like he played terrible. Had alot more phoenixes compared to any other unit. Had like 3-4 colossus which did an incredible amount of damage though from what I saw. The entire time I was wondering where's the storm, woulda been perfect for that many hydras or them broodlord/corruptors, but then again it was david kim right?

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Actually, zerg had 6~7 bases. However, terran would have won if the brood lords didn't exist, or at least that battle. Brood lords seem to be extremly high priority targets.

Actually, No. Go to 8:24. Zerg have exactly 4 bases and the upper left 11 'O clock is the nydus.

Again, if your economy is double your opponents (triple at the end) , then you can just build 100 of anything every 30 seconds and mob in. You can produce units so fast, in such large numbers, counters or not, its GG.

Brood lords are just the icing on the cake.

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Hmm I think those brood lords will die with six HSMs and with all that splash damage, because they cant run away. But yeah the zerg are so powerful with massing every single unit. Oh they had colored psi in that game. That red colored looked awesome on those zealots psi blades.

wth are you gonna do with six Ravens? just a thought ._. ...

i thought he just said what he would do with six ravens...

protoss didn't have to lose to that final attack, he had ample opportunity to force field the ramp again. And again. And again... i don't think he could have run out of mana with 12 disruptors.

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This seems more like the Brood Lord winning the match then it does the Zerg, lol. What I mean by that is the victories were due in large part to the Brood Lords and their positioning, or the lack of AtA by their enemy. Much more so than any other factor.

I disagree. The first 6 mins are a lot like battle report #2: The Zerg contained the terran. The difference is that while the terran was being harrassed and on the defense, the zerg expanded. At the end of his harrassment around 8 minutes the zerg had 4 or 5 bases to the terrans 2. I think it was his macro strat / failure of the terran to put pressure on the zerg that won, not because of the Brood lord.

Actually, zerg had 6~7 bases. However, terran would have won if the brood lords didn't exist, or at least that battle. Brood lords seem to be extremly high priority targets.

The Terran air units don't seem to be used a great deal. Ravens are used regularly from what I have seen, but Vikings are so rare! Its becoming like the old Valkarie. I think PvZ matches will see Broodlords to counter Colossi and Phoenix.

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The Terran air units don't seem to be used a great deal. Ravens are used regularly from what I have seen, but Vikings are so rare! Its becoming like the old Valkarie. I think PvZ matches will see Broodlords to counter Colossi and Phoenix.

Brood Lords cannot attack air units. Republodominicanomocha!

Also, It's sad that the Vikings aren't used all that often. I really like them. :*(

@Deathmunki - Thors are used instead of Vikings sooooo often.

And I also think that they're good counters to Lords too. However - their drawback is that they seems quite fragile on the Hydra pushes - so Reaper or Marauder presence is still a must.
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@OT - As far as I remember - LURKERS won the battle, not Lords.. They were there (about 3 of them) to do some "mess" while the Seismic Upgraded Lurks (several from different angles) raped from beneath.. Mmmmmm YEAH, I love the new Lurker.. :PP

The vid where Hydras win - it's just a BC fleet - nothing like Ground support.. If T had JUST A FEW Tanks there in the back instead of just one BC less - Z would've ate the dust.. And the BCs were WRONG Weapon armed.. They needed Yamato vs that dozen and a half Hydras.. Now that would be also painful - to see how many Hydras would die instantly due to one ability.. My poor Hydras..

Thx God Z won.. :)))

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The Terran air units don't seem to be used a great deal. Ravens are used regularly from what I have seen, but Vikings are so rare! Its becoming like the old Valkarie. I think PvZ matches will see Broodlords to counter Colossi and Phoenix.

Brood Lords cannot attack air units. Republodominicanomocha!

Also, It's sad that the Vikings aren't used all that often. I really like them. :*(

LOL.. man I really gotta get some sleep! I mixed up Brood lords with Corruptors... My bad peoples!

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Hmm I think those brood lords will die with six HSMs and with all that splash damage, because they cant run away. But yeah the zerg are so powerful with massing every single unit. Oh they had colored psi in that game. That red colored looked awesome on those zealots psi blades.

wth are you gonna do with six Ravens? just a thought ._. ...

i thought he just said what he would do with six ravens...

protoss didn't have to lose to that final attack, he had ample opportunity to force field the ramp again. And again. And again... i don't think he could have run out of mana with 12 disruptors.

you dont get my sarcasm -_-..I meant why in the HELL would you build SIX expensive Ravens when against Zergs, when a large stack of mutas snipe them out and just run off from the HSM? waste of resources, energy, and my time :/ plus I agree the protoss was horrible...he wouldve done a better job if he pretty much sticked with a ground force...

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The Terran air units don't seem to be used a great deal. Ravens are used regularly from what I have seen, but Vikings are so rare! Its becoming like the old Valkarie. I think PvZ matches will see Broodlords to counter Colossi and Phoenix.

Ya I noticed the same thing and I don't really understand why. The Viking is almost NEVER used in any games I have seen. Maybe 1-2 to try and combat the Colossus towards the end of the game but that's it. I don't think i have EVER seen it used in it's mech form. This is really surprising considering how great of an AtA unit it is, and considering it seems to be a decent GtG.

If nothing else I would try to keep at least 3-4 Vikings around when I am facing Protoss just to easily take out any potential Colossus threat. It seems most players are too caught up building mass Marauders and Medevacs though.